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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/website-warned-over-mmr-claims/comment-page-1/#comment-52705</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 04:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So Xeno I don&#039;t know if you are being sarcastic but I do have something for you to ponder on the subject. Do a quick risk-benefit analysis of the MMR vaccine for a second. 

So first of all whether you think it contains something horrible or not the simple fact is that it works. All three of those diseases put together now have sub-1000 cases per year. I don&#039;t know what the sum total of the deaths are, because I can&#039;t find that. Mumps however has only 2 deaths on average annually associated with it. These were probably caused by &quot;anti vaccine&quot; moms and dads, or co-morbidity with immunocompromising disease. In 1969 there were just shy of 109,000 cases of rubella alone according to the cia factbook, and comfirmed by medpub.

So we&#039;ve established it works. Let&#039;s just put something out there: the autism study said it couldn&#039;t *rule out* a causalogical link to the MMR vaccine. They had very strong evidence to rule out said link, but not 4 sigma strong. However, even IF there is a link to autism it doesn&#039;t matter. 

The simple fact of the matter is not one, but all three diseases have a *proven,* studied, and well researched causalogical link to mental retardation. People with autism are generally somewhat higher functioning than those with mental retardation. From Medpub:  

&quot;during the first 20 years of vaccine licensure have been enormous. In this period it is estimated that vaccination against measles has prevented 52 million cases, 5,200 deaths, and 17,400 cases of mental retardation, achieving a net savings of $5.1 billion&quot;

The MMR vaccine has caused deaths obviously. Anyone who claims otherwise hasn&#039;t read any international news. The thing is that is a completely non-unique argument! The smallpox vaccine (last decade of use) killed 250/Million, and far more than a million have taken the MMR vaccine, while less than 250 have died (only a little less.)

There is literally no way to factually spin things to say that vaccine hasn&#039;t benefited mankind. Sure you can say there is some overarching conspiracy, and all the data from the past has been altered. But my grandparents and great grandparents (I&#039;m only 25) remember reading about outbreaks causing deaths. 

This scare has been caused by a small amount of deaths, and a link to autism that is nothing but grasping at straws related to a study. It might sound cold to say a small amount, but keep in mind over 500 *Million* vaccines have been given. 188/500,000,000+...that&#039;s like being struck by lightning twice, maybe even three times. Having kids at an older age and passing on mutations makes a LOT more sense on all levels to explain the prevalance of autism. Also the DSM criteria have been revised, and awareness among parents is at an all-time high.  

Finally, you can space the vaccines out for even LESS risk (less than ~188/500,000,000), and you can literally watch the vaccine work under a microscope. If you can explain that one you get some kind of supercookie.

PS:
The government is incredibly inefficient and full of poor performers. Do you have any idea how hard unions would make a conspiracy in a non right-to-work state? Obama couldn&#039;t even keep his mouth shut about stuxnet or the Bin Laden raid. Bush couldn&#039;t keep the lid on freaking CIA intelligence that made him look like a moron.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Xeno I don&#8217;t know if you are being sarcastic but I do have something for you to ponder on the subject. Do a quick risk-benefit analysis of the MMR vaccine for a second. </p>
<p>So first of all whether you think it contains something horrible or not the simple fact is that it works. All three of those diseases put together now have sub-1000 cases per year. I don&#8217;t know what the sum total of the deaths are, because I can&#8217;t find that. Mumps however has only 2 deaths on average annually associated with it. These were probably caused by &#8220;anti vaccine&#8221; moms and dads, or co-morbidity with immunocompromising disease. In 1969 there were just shy of 109,000 cases of rubella alone according to the cia factbook, and comfirmed by medpub.</p>
<p>So we&#8217;ve established it works. Let&#8217;s just put something out there: the autism study said it couldn&#8217;t *rule out* a causalogical link to the MMR vaccine. They had very strong evidence to rule out said link, but not 4 sigma strong. However, even IF there is a link to autism it doesn&#8217;t matter. </p>
<p>The simple fact of the matter is not one, but all three diseases have a *proven,* studied, and well researched causalogical link to mental retardation. People with autism are generally somewhat higher functioning than those with mental retardation. From Medpub:  </p>
<p>&#8220;during the first 20 years of vaccine licensure have been enormous. In this period it is estimated that vaccination against measles has prevented 52 million cases, 5,200 deaths, and 17,400 cases of mental retardation, achieving a net savings of $5.1 billion&#8221;</p>
<p>The MMR vaccine has caused deaths obviously. Anyone who claims otherwise hasn&#8217;t read any international news. The thing is that is a completely non-unique argument! The smallpox vaccine (last decade of use) killed 250/Million, and far more than a million have taken the MMR vaccine, while less than 250 have died (only a little less.)</p>
<p>There is literally no way to factually spin things to say that vaccine hasn&#8217;t benefited mankind. Sure you can say there is some overarching conspiracy, and all the data from the past has been altered. But my grandparents and great grandparents (I&#8217;m only 25) remember reading about outbreaks causing deaths. </p>
<p>This scare has been caused by a small amount of deaths, and a link to autism that is nothing but grasping at straws related to a study. It might sound cold to say a small amount, but keep in mind over 500 *Million* vaccines have been given. 188/500,000,000+&#8230;that&#8217;s like being struck by lightning twice, maybe even three times. Having kids at an older age and passing on mutations makes a LOT more sense on all levels to explain the prevalance of autism. Also the DSM criteria have been revised, and awareness among parents is at an all-time high.  </p>
<p>Finally, you can space the vaccines out for even LESS risk (less than ~188/500,000,000), and you can literally watch the vaccine work under a microscope. If you can explain that one you get some kind of supercookie.</p>
<p>PS:<br />
The government is incredibly inefficient and full of poor performers. Do you have any idea how hard unions would make a conspiracy in a non right-to-work state? Obama couldn&#8217;t even keep his mouth shut about stuxnet or the Bin Laden raid. Bush couldn&#8217;t keep the lid on freaking CIA intelligence that made him look like a moron.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/website-warned-over-mmr-claims/comment-page-1/#comment-51405</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 16:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We should kill all the bees. Tons of people die of bee stings a year, that&#039;s enough to warrant full scale assault on those yellow bastards! Honestly injections are a must in a modern society, if you&#039;re a parent you can request to have them spaced out instead of one mega shot. It&#039;s easy to get up in arms when people start mentioning children, the second I became a dad it was like hearing things for the first time. Every single aspect of society is fear mongering that focuses on &quot;the children&quot;. They use our children against us the second they are conceived. Not saying this stuff is incorrect or without merit but it is not an epidemic either. Just something that needs to be looked at like any other advance in humanity. We evolve in lurches and conflict, not in a smooth grade.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should kill all the bees. Tons of people die of bee stings a year, that&#8217;s enough to warrant full scale assault on those yellow bastards! Honestly injections are a must in a modern society, if you&#8217;re a parent you can request to have them spaced out instead of one mega shot. It&#8217;s easy to get up in arms when people start mentioning children, the second I became a dad it was like hearing things for the first time. Every single aspect of society is fear mongering that focuses on &#8220;the children&#8221;. They use our children against us the second they are conceived. Not saying this stuff is incorrect or without merit but it is not an epidemic either. Just something that needs to be looked at like any other advance in humanity. We evolve in lurches and conflict, not in a smooth grade.</p>
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		<title>By: Xeno</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Xeno]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 15:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A rifle in the streets does not sound effective. You&#039;ll die at the hands of much more sophisticated weapons without notably improving the world. Education of the miserable masses is my choice to make the biggest possible difference. I want us to make it! I want us to evolve, to thrive, to understand and overcome our fear of success. Control of the media is what allows this BS to happen. Fight that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A rifle in the streets does not sound effective. You&#8217;ll die at the hands of much more sophisticated weapons without notably improving the world. Education of the miserable masses is my choice to make the biggest possible difference. I want us to make it! I want us to evolve, to thrive, to understand and overcome our fear of success. Control of the media is what allows this BS to happen. Fight that.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Killer</title>
		<link>http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/website-warned-over-mmr-claims/comment-page-1/#comment-51376</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Killer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 09:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have a problem in The U.K. In that we can&#039;t buy guns in Walmart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have a problem in The U.K. In that we can&#8217;t buy guns in Walmart.</p>
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		<title>By: not jeb bush</title>
		<link>http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/website-warned-over-mmr-claims/comment-page-1/#comment-51367</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[not jeb bush]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2012 07:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[my advice:  buy a rifle, buy some ammunition for said rifle, fight the power.  i&#039;m ready to confront the .01% and their bought-and-paid-for cronies in the streets, are you?  think about that, and then instead of whining on the internet in a blog few will ever see, prepare for the war to come when we fight for our childrens future freedom health and safety.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my advice:  buy a rifle, buy some ammunition for said rifle, fight the power.  i&#8217;m ready to confront the .01% and their bought-and-paid-for cronies in the streets, are you?  think about that, and then instead of whining on the internet in a blog few will ever see, prepare for the war to come when we fight for our childrens future freedom health and safety.</p>
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